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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1594<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
re: Keyboard kills with quotes<BR>
Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Law/Equity<BR>
disgusting habits<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re Graphics<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Chimps<BR>
Uplift<BR>
Re Heraldry<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:11:33 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Speak for yourself, Kiri-san.  :)  I ate dry dogfood as a kid whenever there<BR>
> wasn't any people food, or I went hungry.<BR>
> <BR>
I wasn't thinking of situations like that.  Sorry if I offended you.  I<BR>
know it is more common than people think, and I wish it were less so.<BR>
<BR>
I was referring, as was the original poster, to recreational pet food<BR>
eating, one of the many nasty habits otherwise well-behaved children<BR>
indulge in without parental permission.  I've known quite a few former<BR>
children who did this in homes where there was plenty of people food<BR>
available.  In other words, children who chose Purina over Pringles when<BR>
their parents weren't looking.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri... ^^;;<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:28:34 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
Yes, my GWBASIC programs are indeed procedural.  I usually code all my<BR>
programs the same way.<BR>
<BR>
0 CLR:Gosub 65400:CLS<BR>
<BR>
on lines 10-900 I write my decision making code.<BR>
<BR>
999 END<BR>
<BR>
Lines 1000-1999 are usually reserved for DATA statements, in my older<BR>
programs.  My new ones did away with DATA statements entirely, utilizing<BR>
random access disk files for data.  (Coding this way, you can make an AD&D<BR>
character generator that fleshes out a character in extreme detail in under<BR>
4k of ram.)<BR>
<BR>
Lines 2000-2999 are usually my interface subroutines for input and output<BR>
<BR>
Lines 3000-3999, 4000-4999, etc are usually used for MODULES.  By modules, I<BR>
mean a chunk of code that performs a specific function then passes the data<BR>
along to the I/O subroutines in 2000-2999.<BR>
<BR>
Lines 55000-55100 are keyboard cathers; i.e. this is where I put my "hit<BR>
spacebar" for more, "ENTER" to end, ESC to end program, etc.<BR>
<BR>
Lines 60000-61000 are where I define my BASIC menuing system where you can<BR>
EXIT the program, RETURN to DOS, or press a key for the desired BASIC<BR>
program listed.<BR>
<BR>
Lines 64500+ are where I define all my variables, arrays, subscripts and<BR>
functions (  like def fna(x)=int(rnd(1)*x)+1   ).  I also write my welcome<BR>
messages here and seed the random number generator then RETURN to the<BR>
beginning of the program.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Leonard Erickson" <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:24 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> It's more likely that things like Visual Basic are *event*-driven,<BR>
> while your older BASIC programs were procedural. That's a *big* shift<BR>
> (and one I'm not that comfortable with yet).<BR>
><BR>
> In procedural programs, you write a bunch of procedures and run them in<BR>
> the needed order. This is determined by the programmer.<BR>
><BR>
> In event-driven code, the code basicly sits in a loop waiting for<BR>
> "events" (mouse clicks, keystrokes, etc). It then jumps to procedures<BR>
> for handling the event.<BR>
><BR>
> The programmer has very little control over the "flow" of the program.<BR>
><BR>
> ps. as far as the job market is concerned, I have neither training nor<BR>
> much experience.<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:21:09 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
Yes, well, um... guilty.  Chuck Wagon is much better than Gravy Train, but<BR>
they both could use some salt and other seasonings.  Forget the Gaines<BR>
Burgers, they are terrible.  And Cat Chow is actually better than most<BR>
flavors of Pringles.  Keep a glass of milk handy, though.  Most pet foods<BR>
would give me a sour stomach after about a dozens pieces.<BR>
<BR>
- -Chow-chow-chow<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
> I wasn't thinking of situations like that.  Sorry if I offended you.  I<BR>
> know it is more common than people think, and I wish it were less so.<BR>
><BR>
> I was referring, as was the original poster, to recreational pet food<BR>
> eating, one of the many nasty habits otherwise well-behaved children<BR>
> indulge in without parental permission.  I've known quite a few former<BR>
> children who did this in homes where there was plenty of people food<BR>
> available.  In other words, children who chose Purina over Pringles when<BR>
> their parents weren't looking.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:31:50 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
I'm not giving in yet..:)  If I try hard enough I'll learn it.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:34 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Training helps <grin><BR>
> <BR>
> Frankie<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:24:45 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re: Keyboard kills with quotes<BR>
<BR>
>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
>In response to (at least one) request, here is the <BR>
>list of keyboard causalties, _with the lethal<BR>
phrase_:<BR>
<BR>
The Traveller Mailing List.  Please read responsibly.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:59 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
Oh no, you didn't offend me, but the memories are kinda bad.  I'm a LOT<BR>
better off than my folks were together in those bad times.  When my folks<BR>
separated my mom would put me up with friends and sleep on the streets.<BR>
<Sarcasm> Wonderful place, the U.S.  </sarcasm><BR>
<BR>
as to kids who chose that when they had food, all I can say is EWWWWW!  :)<BR>
I never liked the crunchy little bits but when your stomach hurt real bad<BR>
they sure helped.  Would sometimes raid the neighbor's dog food bag sitting<BR>
out by the garage.  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:11 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > Speak for yourself, Kiri-san.  :)  I ate dry dogfood as a kid whenever<BR>
there<BR>
> > wasn't any people food, or I went hungry.<BR>
> ><BR>
> I wasn't thinking of situations like that.  Sorry if I offended you.  I<BR>
> know it is more common than people think, and I wish it were less so.<BR>
><BR>
> I was referring, as was the original poster, to recreational pet food<BR>
> eating, one of the many nasty habits otherwise well-behaved children<BR>
> indulge in without parental permission.  I've known quite a few former<BR>
> children who did this in homes where there was plenty of people food<BR>
> available.  In other words, children who chose Purina over Pringles when<BR>
> their parents weren't looking.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:46:07 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
ROFLMAO!!!<BR>
<BR>
You gotta be kidding me!  A pet-food critic?  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Swordy (Colin Michael)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:21 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Yes, well, um... guilty.  Chuck Wagon is much better than Gravy Train, but<BR>
> they both could use some salt and other seasonings.  Forget the Gaines<BR>
> Burgers, they are terrible.  And Cat Chow is actually better than most<BR>
> flavors of Pringles.  Keep a glass of milk handy, though.  Most pet foods<BR>
> would give me a sour stomach after about a dozens pieces.<BR>
><BR>
> -Chow-chow-chow<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:46 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Swordy (Colin Michael) wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Yes, well, um... guilty.  Chuck Wagon is much better than Gravy Train, but<BR>
> they both could use some salt and other seasonings.  Forget the Gaines<BR>
> Burgers, they are terrible.  <BR>
<BR>
LOL! <BR>
<BR>
> And Cat Chow is actually better than most flavors of Pringles.  Keep a<BR>
> glass of milk handy, though.  Most pet foods would give me a sour<BR>
> stomach after about a dozens pieces.<BR>
 <BR>
LOL!  The best cat food is actually a kitten food that you can only buy at<BR>
pet stores and it comes in a purple bag.  I deliberately forgot its name<BR>
so that I'd never be tempted again.<BR>
<BR>
> -Chow-chow-chow<BR>
<BR>
You get a gold star for that one.  If I had had a Jolt handy, you'd owe UC<BR>
a keyboard.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  wondering if humans are ever tempted to eat Vargr or Aslan food,<BR>
and if so, is it any good?  I had a character once who was in love with an<BR>
Aslan but she never got him.  I guess she didn't have enough property,<BR>
even though she did have a title.  Wonder what they would have eaten on a<BR>
date...  Actually I imagine that Aslan food would be good, if heavy on the<BR>
meat side.<BR>
<BR>
I don't even want to think about eating with K'Kree.  <BR>
<BR>
And Vargr probably love smelly things.  I wonder what Vargr think of<BR>
limburger cheese.<BR>
<BR>
Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine <BR>
being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
<BR>
Dogs will eat much grosser things than cats.  (That is something that I<BR>
hope no one on this list has ever been tempted to do, yuck!  And this is<BR>
why you should never eat after a dog.  You don't know what the dog ate<BR>
last and you can be sure it did not brush its teeth.)<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:47:27 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:16 -0500 (EST), Glenn Goffin<BR>
<gmgoffin@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
<BR>
>>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant <BR>
>>sable.<BR>
<BR>
>Doesn't it run into the color on color problem or is<BR>
>sable not a color?  <BR>
<BR>
Sable is indeed a color, but as presented (I think the blazon<BR>
should have been "... _overall_ a slug..."), the slug was not<BR>
entirely on the central red square, and so squeaked by that way.<BR>
Also, it should be noted that the reason for the color-on-color<BR>
prohibition was to ensure good contrast; red and black are<BR>
generally held to have acceptable contrast on simple<BR>
presentations.<BR>
<BR>
>>The immediate reaction of every herald at that <BR>
>> commenting meeting was "Purina Slug Chow".<BR>
<BR>
>There was enough set up that I expected the punch<BR>
>line, and avoided splorting, but that was a good<BR>
>effort.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks, especially since I was really going for the giggle rather<BR>
than the splort.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:44:31 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
>MREs, despite rumors to the contrary, actually do have differentiated<BR>
>ingredients.  Kinda.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<sigh> When will you learn - Ratpacks are just superior.... <grin><BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:55:48 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
Now you know why "Almond Roca" is considered a delicacy by many Vargr, who<BR>
prefer it served in a tray of loose gravel.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:42 PM<BR>
Subject: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
> Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
> and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
> if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine<BR>
> being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
> world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
> that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:53:15 EST<BR>
From: GaryBartz@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Law/Equity<BR>
<BR>
This thread reminded me of a case we read in Trusts and Estates class [T&E is <BR>
mostly the stuff that happens to your stuff when you die].<BR>
This widower was dating a younger teacher, and was giving little gifts, she <BR>
agreed to get engaged after being offer his farm and goods...then after the <BR>
ink was dry she booted him out and kept it.<BR>
The court agreed it was all legal and hers, the law is the law, then they <BR>
gave it all back to him, with the rather cool quote "Equity lives."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Trav: PCs win [or lose] a case, and someone yells "Ain't Fair", the judge <BR>
sends the case to the local noble, who redecides it based on just what's <BR>
fair, not on the law.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/28/99 4:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< I don't think so.  The background for Imperial law<BR>
 will be Terran military and Vilani legal traditions. <BR>
 Neither will give rise to a legal/equitable<BR>
 distinction.<BR>
 <BR>
 >><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:54:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: disgusting habits<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> as to kids who chose that when they had food, all I can say is EWWWWW!  :)<BR>
> <BR>
There have been studies done on kids though and a lot of kids eat strange<BR>
things.  Kids eat dirt, kids eat paint (this is why you're not supposed to<BR>
put lead paint on walls), kids eat clay, kids eat paste (I know a LOT of<BR>
people who loved that white paste we used in Kindergarten), kids eat Play<BR>
Doh, and kids eat cat and dog food.  That is why you have to child proof<BR>
your house and why you don't stop doing that just because the kids are<BR>
such and such an age.  I thought the white paste was much more disgusting<BR>
than cat food, but my second husband says it tastes just like Miracle Whip<BR>
(which I also hate).<BR>
<BR>
I worked in a nursery school for a while and I heard kids talk about and<BR>
saw them attempt to eat all sorts of things that we did not permit them to<BR>
eat.  At least cat and dog food are intended to be eaten by creatures that<BR>
are not too biologically different from people. Play-Doh is not.<BR>
<BR>
Pregnant women also eat weird things.  Strangely enough the only time I<BR>
was ever tempted to eat cat food as a grownup was while pregnant.  It must<BR>
be some kind of hormonal thing.  I know a lot of pregnant women sometimes<BR>
eat clay.  All my pregnancies were bad and unsuccessful so I sometimes<BR>
wonder if I should have eaten it.<BR>
<BR>
Kids are weird.  It's just a fact.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:03:16 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
> > and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
> > if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine<BR>
> > being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
> > world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
> > that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
> ><BR>
> Now you know why "Almond Roca" is considered a delicacy by many Vargr, who<BR>
> prefer it served in a tray of loose gravel.<BR>
> <BR>
Ew, I will never be able to look at that stuff the same way again!  <BR>
<BR>
Actually a friend of mine sent me a recipe for a litter box cake. It's<BR>
supposed to look like a cat's litter box and you are supposed to decorate<BR>
the top with Tootsie Rolls.  EW!!!<BR>
<BR>
Think that they would go for that?<BR>
<BR>
I still remember a dessert I was once served long long ago.  It was some<BR>
kind of chocolate cake mixed with pudding and it looked like dirt but it<BR>
tasted wonderful.  My friend put gummy worms in it.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:03:11 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Graphics<BR>
<BR>
>The best argument against PDF is that as of versuion 3 (or was it<BR>
>version 2) there is *no* DOS viewer. Unlike most of these other<BR>
>format's you need a simply *huge* program to view PDF.<BR>
><BR>
>And as I recall, EPS isn't much better.<BR>
><BR>
.eps, .ps and .pdf can be read by ghostscript. Small, elegant, and<BR>
available for Mac, Win, Dos, Linux, other Un*x/Posix. But a definite memory<BR>
hog.<BR>
<BR>
>> Sadly, Telegrafix doesn't have a mac plug-in. They announced (in their<BR>
>> press releases section) that one should have been available by mid year<BR>
>> 1999...<BR>
>><BR>
>> as I said, I have used RIPterm on a 386/sx over a 14.4... it resolved as<BR>
>> fast as .GIF and .html over a cable modem on my 6100/60... If they did RIP<BR>
>> stuff for the mac, I'd buy a copy, and use it for WORK!<BR>
><BR>
>Write them and tell them that!<BR>
><BR>
I did. I even volunteered to Alpha Test. THAT'S a sign of dedication!<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:04:51 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Now you know why "Almond Roca" is considered a delicacy by many Vargr, who<BR>
> prefer it served in a tray of loose gravel.<BR>
> <BR>
Should also mention that the UC MIS department is REALLY lucky I don't<BR>
have any soda today as they would grow tired of buying me keyboards.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:08:38 +0000<BR>
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Chimps<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Pete wrote:<BR>
>I seem to remember reading that chimpanzees had been uplifted in the<BR>
>TU. Does anyone else remember something about that?<BR>
><BR>
It's in DGP Solomani & Aslan.<BR>
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Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:15:41 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Uplift<BR>
<BR>
>From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)<BR>
>Subject: Chimps<BR>
><BR>
>I seem to remember reading that chimpanzees had been uplifted in the<BR>
>TU. Does anyone else remember something about that?<BR>
><BR>
Either _AM4 Solomani_ or _Solomani & Aslan_ have references to this, maybe<BR>
both. Uplifted chimps, orangs, and gorillas.<BR>
<BR>
And, IMTU, there are uplifted bobcats, uplifted dogs, and Dolphins who've<BR>
been modified. Note that the uplifts are not as far nor as pronounced as D<BR>
Brin's uplifts... nor even the Vargr...<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:23:28 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Heraldry<BR>
<BR>
>>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
><BR>
>>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant<BR>
>>sable.<BR>
><BR>
>Doesn't it run into the color on color problem or is<BR>
>sable not a color?<BR>
<BR>
The field is evenly divided metal and color, and so may be treated as<BR>
though a fur, which means you may place metal or color upon it.<BR>
<BR>
>>The immediate reaction of every herald at that<BR>
>> commenting meeting was "Purina Slug Chow".<BR>
><BR>
Such heraldric punning is common.<BR>
<BR>
Let's see if y'all can guess WHY I stuck A Pendragon PC with the following<BR>
Canton<BR>
<BR>
...Upon a Canton Sable in sinister, a one-eyed serpent arising from its<BR>
coils statant regaurdant Argent.<BR>
<BR>
(punch line to follow in a later post).<BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: How many of you assume some form of heraldry in the 3I? Is it<BR>
standardized? How high a rank before one is awarded a device?<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:34:37 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/99 at 10:43 AM,  Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca> said:<BR>
<BR>
>As to trying to breed chimps and humans, I'm kinda surprised that no<BR>
>one's tried an in vitro fertilization, just to see what happens, if we<BR>
>really are that close. Can you give me a reference for that?  (All my<BR>
>sources, which admittedly aren't extensive, assume separate species with<BR>
>no interbreeding.)<BR>
<BR>
Does that really surprise you?  If the mere idea of cloning raises<BR>
world-wide reaction, imagine the storm over attempts to create<BR>
"monkey man!"  Okay, *I* know that's a misnomer, but I can see the<BR>
screaming headlines now. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
- -- <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:36 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/99 at 10:13 AM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> said:<BR>
<BR>
><Snip of excellent post, sucked directly into my saved_tml folder!><BR>
<BR>
><Officer Barbrady/><BR>
>Move along, here Eris. Nothing to see. Go Home!<BR>
></OB><BR>
<BR>
Too late.  ;-p You know we've been getting some nice things recently<BR>
(relatively):  77 Quirks, 100 Passengers, GT Ship Damage, and a<BR>
couple of adventure nuggets.  Keep it up, and my players will curse<BR>
you. <g><BR>
<BR>
>Actually Eris has inflicted^h^h^h^h treated us to several of these<BR>
>already. This will only give him ideas. <sigh> maybe if we rip out all<BR>
>the passenger cabins and replace them with cargo hold...;-)<BR>
<BR>
Then I'll just use "101 Cargos" to plague you. <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
- -- <BR>
- -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>
eris@pcola.gulf.net    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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